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	<title>Comments on: Ron Paul&#8217;s unfortunate position on Federal hate crime legislation to protect gays and transgendered</title>
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		<title>by: Russell Cole</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>For those who are interested in this issue, I have posted something concerning the Fourteenth Amendment and its proper role in our Constitutional deliberations at the following:

http://www.midwest-populistamerica.com/articles/racist-persecution-of-african-american-high-school-students-in-jena-louisiana-along-with-its-relevancy-to-the-political-positions-taken-by-ron-paul/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who are interested in this issue, I have posted something concerning the Fourteenth Amendment and its proper role in our Constitutional deliberations at the following:</p>
<p><a href='http://www.midwest-populistamerica.com/articles/racist-persecution-of-african-american-high-school-students-in-jena-louisiana-along-with-its-relevancy-to-the-political-positions-taken-by-ron-paul/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.midwest-populistamerica.com/articles/racist-persecution-of-african-american-high-school-students-in-jena-louisiana-along-with-its-relevancy-to-the-political-positions-taken-by-ron-paul/</a>
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		<title>by: Rudy "9-11" G</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 05:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I wrote the book on hate.  I hate Ron Paul.  Do you?  If so, join me at www.IHateRonPaul.com - "...they hate us for our FREEDOM!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote the book on hate.  I hate Ron Paul.  Do you?  If so, join me at <a href='http://www.IHateRonPaul.com' rel='nofollow'>www.IHateRonPaul.com</a> - &#8220;&#8230;they hate us for our FREEDOM!&#8221;
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		<title>by: Michael Boldin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Will:

Some excellent points in your comment.  I believe you hit the nail on the head with this:

"In other words, pick your poison, because both have the potential to be just as bad."

This is exactly the reason why leaning towards state power over federal is most important.

When states violate rights, people still have an opportunity to "vote with their feet" and escape the tyranny.

When the federal government violates rights, we're all affected, and we have no place to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will:</p>
<p>Some excellent points in your comment.  I believe you hit the nail on the head with this:</p>
<p>&#8220;In other words, pick your poison, because both have the potential to be just as bad.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is exactly the reason why leaning towards state power over federal is most important.</p>
<p>When states violate rights, people still have an opportunity to &#8220;vote with their feet&#8221; and escape the tyranny.</p>
<p>When the federal government violates rights, we&#8217;re all affected, and we have no place to go.
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		<title>by: Will Bradley</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Russell, I understand what you're trying to say. Being one who considers himself a strict Constitutionalist 99.5% of the time, this is the one area that has me saying, "99.5% of the time."  There are a number of events in US history where the federal government's morals and ethics have superseded the laws of an individual state, or group of states.

You give the example of the federal government suppressing Jim Crow Laws in the South -- another example could be when Lincoln decided to prohibit slavery in newly-created States, which ultimately caused succession of the south, and the Civil War.  Personally, I feel that each event was the moral, justified thing to do.

However, one thing that your article fails to mention is that there are also examples of the federal government superseding state laws or actions that I happen to be in favor of; or, at least do not have a problem with. In states like California, and even in my fair city of Denver, there is legislature that allows (to some degree) the smoking/owning of marijuana. Unfortunately, federal law prohibits them from being exercised completely. Another example would be the federal government prohibiting Colorado from damming our own rivers for hydro-electric power (even though it was voted on by those in the state) as other states down-river, use that water. On these issues, I feel the federal government has stepped beyond its intended purpose, and should not supersede the states' (or local) decisions.

So, to your point, yes, it could be said that if there was no federal intervention, states, theoretically, could turn a blind-eye to crimes against minorities. However, in giving the majority federal government the power to intervene, there's nothing to stop it from imposing laws which may counter-act, supersede, or even disenfranchise those of the minority state, and local governments.

In other words, pick your poison, because both have the potential to be just as bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell, I understand what you&#8217;re trying to say. Being one who considers himself a strict Constitutionalist 99.5% of the time, this is the one area that has me saying, &#8220;99.5% of the time.&#8221;  There are a number of events in US history where the federal government&#8217;s morals and ethics have superseded the laws of an individual state, or group of states.</p>
<p>You give the example of the federal government suppressing Jim Crow Laws in the South &#8212; another example could be when Lincoln decided to prohibit slavery in newly-created States, which ultimately caused succession of the south, and the Civil War.  Personally, I feel that each event was the moral, justified thing to do.</p>
<p>However, one thing that your article fails to mention is that there are also examples of the federal government superseding state laws or actions that I happen to be in favor of; or, at least do not have a problem with. In states like California, and even in my fair city of Denver, there is legislature that allows (to some degree) the smoking/owning of marijuana. Unfortunately, federal law prohibits them from being exercised completely. Another example would be the federal government prohibiting Colorado from damming our own rivers for hydro-electric power (even though it was voted on by those in the state) as other states down-river, use that water. On these issues, I feel the federal government has stepped beyond its intended purpose, and should not supersede the states&#8217; (or local) decisions.</p>
<p>So, to your point, yes, it could be said that if there was no federal intervention, states, theoretically, could turn a blind-eye to crimes against minorities. However, in giving the majority federal government the power to intervene, there&#8217;s nothing to stop it from imposing laws which may counter-act, supersede, or even disenfranchise those of the minority state, and local governments.</p>
<p>In other words, pick your poison, because both have the potential to be just as bad.
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		<title>by: Russell Cole</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You have missed the point.  The significance of this bill is it gives jurisdiction to Federal law enforcement when a hate crime is committed.  I contend that this is important because of provincialism, where the rights of these sexual minorities might not be protected by state or municipal polities.  It took the Air Force to finally permit African Americans to attend previously 'white' educational institutions.  I could care less about any additional punishments for hate crimes.  I am only afraid of crimes perpetrated against sexual minorities not being investigated, at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have missed the point.  The significance of this bill is it gives jurisdiction to Federal law enforcement when a hate crime is committed.  I contend that this is important because of provincialism, where the rights of these sexual minorities might not be protected by state or municipal polities.  It took the Air Force to finally permit African Americans to attend previously &#8216;white&#8217; educational institutions.  I could care less about any additional punishments for hate crimes.  I am only afraid of crimes perpetrated against sexual minorities not being investigated, at all.
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		<title>by: A man</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Why do we need "Extra" punishment for a crime if it is motivated by a single individuals hatred of a group of individuals. This makes no sense. If someone comments a crime, i.e running over someone repeatedly, does it make it any more or less evil if it was done to a gay man or a straight man, a black man or a white man? Why should the evilness of a crime be determined by a meaningless abstract that does not actually effect the objective pain that the crime causes. If a member of my family is murdered because they are white, and a member of another family is murdered because they are black, why should the murderer of either one of them be more or less guilty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we need &#8220;Extra&#8221; punishment for a crime if it is motivated by a single individuals hatred of a group of individuals. This makes no sense. If someone comments a crime, i.e running over someone repeatedly, does it make it any more or less evil if it was done to a gay man or a straight man, a black man or a white man? Why should the evilness of a crime be determined by a meaningless abstract that does not actually effect the objective pain that the crime causes. If a member of my family is murdered because they are white, and a member of another family is murdered because they are black, why should the murderer of either one of them be more or less guilty?
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		<title>by: William Beckman</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 02:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As a gay man I firmly support Ron Paul's stance on the hate crime issue.  This is a man that firmly belives that all people are created equal.  This includes gay people.  He believes that we should all have the same rights regardless, and that those rights ARE to be protected by the constitution.

Passage of a hate crime bill which is only exclusive  to specific races , creeds, or orientations, etc, is not an example of inclusive protection for all people.

I do not want people to be charged with a hate crime for their views and speech of them.  I want to debate them and to tell them why I disagree.  

That is a free society.

If they want to harm me unjustly because of my views, I want them to be prosectuted just like any other criminal for a violent crime would be.  

I don't however, believe that I should be allocated any additional rights or protection, because of my race or orientation, than any other member of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a gay man I firmly support Ron Paul&#8217;s stance on the hate crime issue.  This is a man that firmly belives that all people are created equal.  This includes gay people.  He believes that we should all have the same rights regardless, and that those rights ARE to be protected by the constitution.</p>
<p>Passage of a hate crime bill which is only exclusive  to specific races , creeds, or orientations, etc, is not an example of inclusive protection for all people.</p>
<p>I do not want people to be charged with a hate crime for their views and speech of them.  I want to debate them and to tell them why I disagree.  </p>
<p>That is a free society.</p>
<p>If they want to harm me unjustly because of my views, I want them to be prosectuted just like any other criminal for a violent crime would be.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t however, believe that I should be allocated any additional rights or protection, because of my race or orientation, than any other member of society.
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		<title>by: Russell Cole</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 21:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>People who are against this legislation seem to think that it will prohibit certain types of thoughts or public oratory.  This is patently incorrect.  This legislation only makes crimes - which are already crimes - Federal crimes if they are motivated out of hate for these oppressed groups in society upon whom the crimes are committed.

Further, as far as rights being expanded by families and friends, I wonder why every major advancement of Civil Liberties has involved Federal legislation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who are against this legislation seem to think that it will prohibit certain types of thoughts or public oratory.  This is patently incorrect.  This legislation only makes crimes - which are already crimes - Federal crimes if they are motivated out of hate for these oppressed groups in society upon whom the crimes are committed.</p>
<p>Further, as far as rights being expanded by families and friends, I wonder why every major advancement of Civil Liberties has involved Federal legislation?
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		<title>by: Brian M.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 21:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rob Paul simply takes the libertarian position. Crime is crime, whether against gay people, black people, or otherwise. The punishment for such crimes should only be proportional to the crime, not the motivation. Ron Paul is against the idea of using law to attempt to control how people think, as are all libertarians. This is not to say he or any other libertarian fails to recognize that bigotry is an evil, only that the only civilized and moral way to fight ideas you don't agree with is through peaceful debate and logical argumentation and not the coercive violence of government.

Ultimately, Russell Cole's real disagreement in this article, is about the philosophic argument Ron Paul employs in making his stance. Ron Paul defends the rights of individuals to hate other individuals for whatever reason. This is the libertarian position, and contrary to what Cole implies at the beginning, this also the libertarian argument. This leads Cole, inevitably to attack negative rights, suggesting because people do not always respect these rights that we should throw them to the wind in favor of positive rights, that is the subsidizing of revenge and/or the coercive reprogramming of society through the violent means of the state.

I am not going to bother presenting the argument here, but I will say that libertarians like Paul believe rights are absolute and true by the existence of our reason. We do not believe that governments get to decide what rights people have based on some Utilitarian calculation. We believe that people have these rights even when the government says they don't, or even violates them on a regular basis. Most of all, we feel the only role the government can possibly have is to enforce these rights in the most objective way it can. That is what libertarians mean by small government.

Beyond rights, it is the responsibility of the people to fight for propagation of good ideas and the deconstruction of bad ones. Charities, foundations, community organizations, friends and family, these are the types of organizations that change the world for the better, and it is through them, not bureaucracy or military and police might, that we spread truth and promote morality. You can't Legislate away bigotry, but that doesn't mean you can't change the hearts and minds of others through peaceful means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob Paul simply takes the libertarian position. Crime is crime, whether against gay people, black people, or otherwise. The punishment for such crimes should only be proportional to the crime, not the motivation. Ron Paul is against the idea of using law to attempt to control how people think, as are all libertarians. This is not to say he or any other libertarian fails to recognize that bigotry is an evil, only that the only civilized and moral way to fight ideas you don&#8217;t agree with is through peaceful debate and logical argumentation and not the coercive violence of government.</p>
<p>Ultimately, Russell Cole&#8217;s real disagreement in this article, is about the philosophic argument Ron Paul employs in making his stance. Ron Paul defends the rights of individuals to hate other individuals for whatever reason. This is the libertarian position, and contrary to what Cole implies at the beginning, this also the libertarian argument. This leads Cole, inevitably to attack negative rights, suggesting because people do not always respect these rights that we should throw them to the wind in favor of positive rights, that is the subsidizing of revenge and/or the coercive reprogramming of society through the violent means of the state.</p>
<p>I am not going to bother presenting the argument here, but I will say that libertarians like Paul believe rights are absolute and true by the existence of our reason. We do not believe that governments get to decide what rights people have based on some Utilitarian calculation. We believe that people have these rights even when the government says they don&#8217;t, or even violates them on a regular basis. Most of all, we feel the only role the government can possibly have is to enforce these rights in the most objective way it can. That is what libertarians mean by small government.</p>
<p>Beyond rights, it is the responsibility of the people to fight for propagation of good ideas and the deconstruction of bad ones. Charities, foundations, community organizations, friends and family, these are the types of organizations that change the world for the better, and it is through them, not bureaucracy or military and police might, that we spread truth and promote morality. You can&#8217;t Legislate away bigotry, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t change the hearts and minds of others through peaceful means.
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		<title>by: Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 15:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Do you really want to give your right of thought to someone in Washington. Who are you going to allow to make the decision of whether something is a thought crime for you. For me I will never allow the government to criminalize my thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you really want to give your right of thought to someone in Washington. Who are you going to allow to make the decision of whether something is a thought crime for you. For me I will never allow the government to criminalize my thoughts.
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